. >> ruth bader ginsburg is the thurgood marshalls of the women's right movement and defines her as a lawyer and as a justice, john roberts was a corporate litigator and john roberts for the most part, in his help think and very distinguished career at the bar was someone who represented corporations, who were sued by individuals. in those cases .. he learned to try to get individuals thrown out of court in every possible way, whether it was through dock trims like standing. >> rose: right. >> or statute of limitations, and it was -- this is -- >> rose: this doesn't apply to my client, this doesn't apply to my client. >> that's right. that my client should not be brought, should not be tried on the merits, because there is a procedural defect with the case brought against him. he was enormously successful and that, even more than the sort of high profile abortions and civil rights types of case it is really a signature of the roberts court that individuals have a very tough time in front of these justices. >> rose: so what does scalia and people like that think of the notion of the co